Well, I’m really being proud of myself right now. I thought that only limited number of people are reading this blog and with the workload at my job I grew really lazy writing it. I guess I just got a new kick now
I stopped checking BOS regularly after I was banned twice, so it took me a while noticing, but today I got to see this new Body of Science topic. And basically it’s all about this site and the posts posted here. Awesome.
I though about writing a response on the topic but hey, I’d be banned just the same, so why bother.
The biggest misunderstanding (I could say lie, but everyone can interpret any post his/her own way) is that I’m attacking BOS for some weird reasons, trying to push Asia Pharma products, threatening Bill, attacking honest UGLs, etc. I hope this post will clarify matters. And will probably be misunderstood and misinterpreted.
Firs of all, YES, I like Asia Pharma products. I don’t hide it, I’m proud of it. I also like Zambon, Organon, Schering, Norma, etc. The manufacturer doesn’t really matter as long as the products is of good quality. I’ve come by many good products in my time and have learned to appreciate quality. And I’ve tried many bad products that in the end completely ruined my cycle. Either they were not even close enough to potency advertised, or they were completely mislabeled, usually both. I’ve had the luck of never getting a serious infection but know people that did. For all those reasons I don’t like Underground products. I want to be as good as I can be and for me what really matters is the end result which only quality products can give, even if I have to pay more for them. Be all you can be.
I have a sponsor. Who doesn’t? I appreciate the fact that I can get gear for less money or free, and if all it costs me is to have a banner on the site, hell, why not. Now, to make it a conspiracy theory out of it, that’s a bit too much though. I saw numerous posts on the subject of Asia Pharma ownership with numerous suppositions, but I better get it out in the open now. I own Asia Pharma. I also own British Dragon. I bought them from the dividends received from my shares in Schering-Plough. And in case you didn’t know the whole reason we took over Organon was cause we really wanted to have Deca and Susta in our portfolio. And the only reason I’m doing this blog thing is cause I’m bored. Doh.
The funniest part of the whole post is the “lie about registration etc” part. Now I’m a cautious person (I think) but the wealth of info AsiaPharma has provided regarding their products manufacturing is incredible in comparison to other brands. Yet it seems it is never enough. Show this show that. Once they do - “o, you faked it”. If the guy took the time to read the articles on this page, he could at least also post the pharmacy links in the older posts. I’ve been to those and they actually sell Asia Pharm. I guess he only shows info that supports his claims and ignores the rest. Tc tc tc, what would your old teacher say about that?! His summaries all all wrong too, as in many of the articles quoted there is no mention of the AP brand whatsoever, although I do hope there is something educational in all of em. But in the big picture I must be writing all that just to advertise Asia Pharma. I hope I get big bucks out of it. Wait; I already own all the companies.
Here’s a funny one:
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Furthermore, you never know where the UGs are made. Well, actually, you can imagine. Remember the last drug related movie you’ve seen (doesn’t really matter which one) - the drug lab you’ve seen in that movie is exactly what an UG lab looks like. Well, probably looks even better, remember, there’s a lot more money in drugs. And that product you inject every day for 3 months. When you’re buying a car you would like to have all the possible Airbags, electronics, and god knows what else just so you would be safe in case you crash. But you might not crash. Actually, probability of a crash is a lot lower than probability of an infection from a product made in a dusty trailer-park that you will inject every day for 3 months.
OK, I know this analogy is a bit off but I hope it gets the message over. You want to be the best and only the best products can get you there.
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Buy asiapharma.com eurohormones.com new britishdragon.com overpriced UGL because we asiapharma eurohormones britishdragon tell you that it is HG.
And all other UGLs and HG producers are bad for you.
Now if anyone can bother to read the actual post, he’ll realize that It’s all about using Human Grade gear without any specific brands. How this person sees this article as a bashing of any other GMP human grade steroids is beyond me.
As far as Bill’s bashing is concerned, it’s quite simple. I’m a critic and critics criticize. I’ve written many times I have great respect for his work but there are things that he could do better. And that is exactly as the articles were meant - as Constructive criticism meant to further improve his work. Any person that considers himself to be an educated person knows it for what it is. I know Dextroz went to college so he obviously must have skipped that class - here is a description of constructive criticism by wisegeek.com:
Constructive criticism is criticism kindly meant that has a goal of improving some area of another’s person’s life or work. Often constructive criticism refers specifically to the critique of someone else’s written or artistic work, in perhaps a teacher/student setting, that would allow that person to further improve the work or to improve their approach to future endeavors. However, constructive criticism can also apply to a critical reasoned analysis of a person’s behavior, as in a patient/therapist setting or a group therapy setting.
I did not, however, write anything without proper argumentation. A wise many would see that my actual articles are meant to improve peoples awareness on the subject at hand and also giving them some food for thought. Only a highly prejudiced person would think an article in which I suggest Bill to tell us more details on the testings as a threat. But in the end that what it’s all about. The whole point of the thread on BOS is blemishing the reputation of anyone who would ever say a good thing about Asia Pharma. Basically, if you like the stuff, you are bad.
But Dextroz is right in one thing, ones writing speaks a lot of the author. Now I look at his posts he’s doing exactly what he’s accusing others of doing. He makes claims that he cannot support in any way but with a “Translation” of posts of other people (me mainly). He attacks everyone indiscriminately without checking their background - most people in attacked in his thread have far more integrity than himself, and attacking such people without substantial evidence is plainly stupid (not me, but S.B.C. for example).
Asiapharma owners and shills milo, barron, s.b.c., dexterj, mrdext, methan, kendall, Dolcedoberman, peanutbutter and the lot we are not interested in what you have to say.
Some of these guys are admittedly spammers, but other are definitely not.
Furthermore he refers to other articles on the internet which are all written in the same style that suggest they are the work of the same group/person. And those same references use evidence like “adjusted” articles by William Llewllyn.
And among all this, writing how disgusting everything is, accusing people of making threats, he goes and threatens the first person who replies to his thread:
Now shut it or someone else will do it for you.
Sherlock, BOS is a forum and people are supposed to make comments, what did you think, you’d just make 500 accounts and have it all to yourself?!
Judging by all this I can’t help but believe this is simply a tactic to make the other guys look bad while you try to sell as much of your own brand. Otherwise, why so much rage, so much hatred, attacking like a small rabid dog? The dog’s got no teeth but barks in the night nevertheless.
Well, I still learned couple of thing from this:
British Dispensary lost the license for Androlic and not Anabol. My bad.
Cause so many people believe British Dragon is associated to Asia Pharma and EuroHormones these days we might get BD HGH? That would be good and sure as hell is worth looking into it.
Forums really are full of s*** these days.
Ivan Tsikhan, Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery, Justin Gatlin, Floyd Landis, Barry Bonds… just a few names that were caught doping - Were they guilty of crimes or were they just pushing their bodies to the limit and beyond to show us the possibilities of human body?
In some industries it is practically encouraged to get better results with pharmaceuticals and with help from different doctors. Plastic operation, Botox, Viagra, Collagen injections are just a few examples to enhance the abilities and looks.
If we just look at show business, how many actresses are using Botox to slow their age and how many actors were using HGH to enhance their looks. The look is everything, the make or break of current show business.
It is OK for an actor to visit a surgeon and change whatever needs changing, in fact they are encouraged to do so by their agents, producers, whatever. In porn 99% of actors take Viagra and consider it work tool. Some people object, but generally this is accepted and the law allows it. Yes, this is alright as show business is multi-billion dollar business and these “enhanced” people get to pay more taxes… It doesn’t stop there though, what cannot be changed on the body is later changed on the pictures and most pictures of models these days are digital altered. These are all legal ways to improve the functionality and achievements, nothing is wrong here.
But if the Marion Jones wants to beat the World Record and she is using Erythropoietin (EPO) she is the Devil herself. Wait a minute. Wasn’t she just using all the possibilities she had for that 1/100 of a second, so that she could satisfy our needs for the game itself. The World Record and Gold medals are worth something. First place is the winner, the second isn’t first and the third place is remembered by no one.
Yes, you could say that this is not the sportsmanship, doping is cheating. However, in that case it is not fair that some athletes are training for years using high altitude training, world class nutrition, best coaches and the best equipment they could get their hands on while others were using only old equipment, bad coaches, some were also malnourished. So this cannot be considered sportsman-like either. If we start saying what is OK and what is not, we should really go deeper than just saying doping is bad, everything else is OK. Let’s be frank, most athletes are using some kind of doping, the only difference is they don’t get caught. And the only reason they don’t get caught is because they have more money - more influence on the doping committee (Jonson-Lewis), better coaches who are more aware what can be detected and when, and they have access to better doping substances. BALCO affair should have thought us that. If all should have an equal chance why is Armstrong allowed to use a 100k bike?
Here is an intriguing idea - Why not giving athletes a choice? Yes, you can use doping, but it is your decision only. It is your body, it is your life. Sure would make all the events more interesting… The whole concept of legalized doping would become better for us as we would get new better substances, they would be better researched, and a lot safer athletes would be under constant medical supervision. And of course, no more UG’s.
We’ve all come to this problem - we want to get gear but have no real reason for a doctor to write a prescription. Even if he would, the range would be somewhat limited as doctors tend to only prescribe mild dosages of anabolics when they actually write a prescription. So at home you will have to get gear elsewhere… But still, if by any chance somebody finds the gear with me, what shall I say?
Anabolic Steroids are used in many fields of Medicine, but for an average bodybuilder only two fields are really applicable. Patients with HIV are treated with Anabolic Steroids in order to make up for the weight lost due to the illness. The other field is Testosterone deficiency treatment, for people whose testicles are not producing enough testosterone and additional testosterone needs to be introduced to the body for normal body functioning. Although I know people that have HIV and are actually extremely bulk this excuse will probably not be used very often because of prejudice and the fact that it is very easily established that one has HIV.
Testosterone deficiency on the other hand is quite hard to prove (and disprove) as it test levels are frequently different from patient to patient and some uniform measurements don’t always apply. Basically every doctor will give a different opinion on this issue. So if you are lucky enough to find a doctor that will say you suffer from Testosterone deficiency, you win.
So here is the point of the whole post - how to find such a doctor. Do note that some assumptions from here on are theoretical and actual application will vary from state to state, country to country. This in reality is informative post only. If you actually work it out do let me know
In the states and most of the “Western” countries you will have some problems with persuading a doctor (the bulkier you are lower the probability) that your test levels are too low and that you NEED anabolic steroids to keep function normally. Even if they do buy it they will probably do other treatments first (basically PCT). So forget these countries.
Here’s good news - if you like to travel you will have no problem finding a “less developed” country where you will be able to find a more willing doctor. The beauty clinics all over the world are offering numerous programs for wight loss, vitalization, rejuvenation, etc. In Thailand for example you can go for an official weight loss treatement supervised by a doctor and they will treat you with - I didn’t really believe this at first - Clenbuterol. You will note that Clenbuterol is used for bronchodilator and officially was never used for Weight loss. in similar way Pregnyl is used for weight loss (again not meant for it), HGH is used for weight loss and rejuvenation, etc. And yes, you have guessed it, you can also get a testosterone deficiency treatment there, voila, prescription for anabolic steroids.
I know what you are thinking, you can get anabolics without prescription in any Thai pharmacy so why bother with a doctor. The problems is many of us have been on these trips and we often want to take home some souvenirs. So we put them in the luggage and hope the customs will not bother to check us. If they do though, we could be in a world of problems. Take the German tourist who entered Florida as an example. I guess he didn’t want to cut his cycle short so he brought it with him. Because he had a vial of deca and an amp of test (No doubt Norma and Galenika ) and some pins he’s faced with five felony charges… Read more here.
So if you visit a doctor the main difference is that you actually get a prescription for whatever souvenirs you wish to take home. And since you are a foreigner you can ask the good Thai doctor to give you some form of diagnosis in English on paper as you would really like to inform your doctor of the “illness” you have. Basically should you have any problems on the border because of the souvenirs you have a lot better standpoint - you have a prescription for the items, and even a diagnosis why you need them. That may not save you completely but is sure to help you a lot if the shit hits the fan.
Secondly, as stated above, testosterone deficiency diagnosis is a vague term. According to HealthCommunities.com:
Recent estimates show that approximately 13 million men in the United States experience testosterone deficiency and less than 10% receive treatment for the condition.
Studies have shown that men with obesity, diabetes, or hypertension may be twice as likely to have low testosterone levels.
What this means is you might fall into those 13 million men and since you already have a diagnosis you might be able to persuade your doctor that you actually do have it. This is a far shot (I personally would give it 1/4 chance) but one avenue one could potentially wish to peruse.
So if you are lucky, you might get a lot more from this trip than just a vacation. Word of caution, If you do go to Thailand please make sure and protect yourself so you don’t suddenly fall into the other, HIV positive group of people eligible for anabolic steroids treatment.
As said above, this is theory. Or an idea up for discussion if you wish. If anybody has any feedback, please let me know.
For a start here is some info:
http://www.pih-inter.com/
Pattaya International Hospital
Soi 4 , Beach Road, Pattaya City, Cholburi 20260 Thailand
Dr. Sawaddipong Clinic
20/1 Moo 10 Pratumnuk Rd., Near Erawan Hotel, South Pattaya, Thailand
Contact these 2 numbers to make their appointments - +6685 219 0066 , +6684 646 6181
The new book by William Llewllyn about Underground Steroid Labs has not even been published yet and it’s already causing a big stir in the bodybuilding community. Recent post on BOS forums show that mr.Llewllyn has stopped advocating Underground Steroid Labs as they don’t deliver, and more importantly, they lack the quality. The greatest issue at hand is question where do the raw materials used to make the finished products originate from. It is know that most (100% probably) raw materials used by UGL are imported from China; as Chinese companies are not allowed to legally export the raw materials one can only assume they are exported illegally, and here is the biggest problem. Since this activity is illegal, how can one be sure that the products is legitimate?! There’s no honor among thieves as they say and as anybody that has ever cooperated with Chinese will tell you: you better watch your back or they will get the better of you.
The biggest problem with Under Ground Labs is not really the amount or the lack of the active ingredient as we can all live without the gains we’re expecting - OK, you are pissed, but you’ll just try another manufacturer the next time, you live on… or do you? The problem is that the steroids we buy don’t contain just oil/water and the active substance, but a lot of other chemicals, heavy metals, and other crap that they are not supposed to contain. And if there is a lot of this bonus crap you might get some unwanted “side-effects”.
Unfortunately this is the area where 99.9% of UGLs fail - Their product may contain actual steroid printed on the label but the products also contain a lot of other, unwanted and potentially dangerous substances. As the owners of these UGLs are aware that their products are far from perfect, and they also know that Bill’s books are every bodybuilders bible they got scared. If their product is shown in real light, and people are made aware of the potential dangers of these products, nobody would want to buy them anymore. So their response is really not that unexpected, they are now trying to do the only thing they can to limit the danger - discredit the author of the book so the results would look simply as a bad review bought by the competition. The only problem is, what if all UGLs come out bad? somehow I fear that none of the UGL’s will be shown in a really good light so who would than be the one to have bribed Llewllyn?
Here are only two examples what can happen when using a non-legitimate gear, quite hard-core. The first example is a sepsis forming after a shot of a non-legitimate Winstrol Depo, the end result of which was a sepsis in the size of an Orange and 1 month in bed:
Abscess
Although it was believed that tablets are generally safer than injectables as liver will destroy the hazardous materials in the tabs, the case below shows that medicine made in an underground laboratory can be lethal:
Some will argue that the lady was not using steroids so this is irrelevant but do remember that a lot of bodybuilders use Alprozalam to calm down during cycles. And you should know that an underground steroid lab is just the same as a counterfeiting lab for any other drug.
So the bottom line is - be very careful what you use - steroids could be lethal
“We all know there is no reliable test for HGH,” Gene Upshaw, executive director of the NFL Players Association said yesterday at the union’s Super Bowl news conference.”Until a test is developed for HGH, there’s really not an awful lot to talk about. And when that test is developed, we really believe it should be a urine test. No one is interested in a blood test. We got a lot of big tough guys, but they don’t even like to be pricked on the finger to give blood.” (more…)
I just watched a interesting show about Human Growth Hormone (HGH) on CNN.
The show was talking about baby boomers over the age of 50 taking HGH.
HGH was not a familiar drug to public until Dr. Daniel Rudman reported in the New England Journal of Medicine that men taking a six-month course of Human Growth Hormone (HGH) reduced their body fat by 14.4 percent while increasing lean muscle mass by 8.8 percent. This are incredible numbers of lean muslce gain and body fat loss.
As stated in the show and in the article the study included just a dozen men, but it inspired a flood of anti-aging literature touting the benefits of growth hormone, along with countless Web sites selling HGH creams and sprays. Endocrinologists say those products though, are worthless; the body can use HGH only when it’s injected.
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