Well, I’m really being proud of myself right now. I thought that only limited number of people are reading this blog and with the workload at my job I grew really lazy writing it. I guess I just got a new kick now
I stopped checking BOS regularly after I was banned twice, so it took me a while noticing, but today I got to see this new Body of Science topic. And basically it’s all about this site and the posts posted here. Awesome.
I though about writing a response on the topic but hey, I’d be banned just the same, so why bother.
The biggest misunderstanding (I could say lie, but everyone can interpret any post his/her own way) is that I’m attacking BOS for some weird reasons, trying to push Asia Pharma products, threatening Bill, attacking honest UGLs, etc. I hope this post will clarify matters. And will probably be misunderstood and misinterpreted.
Firs of all, YES, I like Asia Pharma products. I don’t hide it, I’m proud of it. I also like Zambon, Organon, Schering, Norma, etc. The manufacturer doesn’t really matter as long as the products is of good quality. I’ve come by many good products in my time and have learned to appreciate quality. And I’ve tried many bad products that in the end completely ruined my cycle. Either they were not even close enough to potency advertised, or they were completely mislabeled, usually both. I’ve had the luck of never getting a serious infection but know people that did. For all those reasons I don’t like Underground products. I want to be as good as I can be and for me what really matters is the end result which only quality products can give, even if I have to pay more for them. Be all you can be.
I have a sponsor. Who doesn’t? I appreciate the fact that I can get gear for less money or free, and if all it costs me is to have a banner on the site, hell, why not. Now, to make it a conspiracy theory out of it, that’s a bit too much though. I saw numerous posts on the subject of Asia Pharma ownership with numerous suppositions, but I better get it out in the open now. I own Asia Pharma. I also own British Dragon. I bought them from the dividends received from my shares in Schering-Plough. And in case you didn’t know the whole reason we took over Organon was cause we really wanted to have Deca and Susta in our portfolio. And the only reason I’m doing this blog thing is cause I’m bored. Doh.
The funniest part of the whole post is the “lie about registration etc” part. Now I’m a cautious person (I think) but the wealth of info AsiaPharma has provided regarding their products manufacturing is incredible in comparison to other brands. Yet it seems it is never enough. Show this show that. Once they do - “o, you faked it”. If the guy took the time to read the articles on this page, he could at least also post the pharmacy links in the older posts. I’ve been to those and they actually sell Asia Pharm. I guess he only shows info that supports his claims and ignores the rest. Tc tc tc, what would your old teacher say about that?! His summaries all all wrong too, as in many of the articles quoted there is no mention of the AP brand whatsoever, although I do hope there is something educational in all of em. But in the big picture I must be writing all that just to advertise Asia Pharma. I hope I get big bucks out of it. Wait; I already own all the companies.
Here’s a funny one:
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Furthermore, you never know where the UGs are made. Well, actually, you can imagine. Remember the last drug related movie you’ve seen (doesn’t really matter which one) - the drug lab you’ve seen in that movie is exactly what an UG lab looks like. Well, probably looks even better, remember, there’s a lot more money in drugs. And that product you inject every day for 3 months. When you’re buying a car you would like to have all the possible Airbags, electronics, and god knows what else just so you would be safe in case you crash. But you might not crash. Actually, probability of a crash is a lot lower than probability of an infection from a product made in a dusty trailer-park that you will inject every day for 3 months.
OK, I know this analogy is a bit off but I hope it gets the message over. You want to be the best and only the best products can get you there.
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TRANSLATION
Buy asiapharma.com eurohormones.com new britishdragon.com overpriced UGL because we asiapharma eurohormones britishdragon tell you that it is HG.
And all other UGLs and HG producers are bad for you.
Now if anyone can bother to read the actual post, he’ll realize that It’s all about using Human Grade gear without any specific brands. How this person sees this article as a bashing of any other GMP human grade steroids is beyond me.
As far as Bill’s bashing is concerned, it’s quite simple. I’m a critic and critics criticize. I’ve written many times I have great respect for his work but there are things that he could do better. And that is exactly as the articles were meant - as Constructive criticism meant to further improve his work. Any person that considers himself to be an educated person knows it for what it is. I know Dextroz went to college so he obviously must have skipped that class - here is a description of constructive criticism by wisegeek.com:
Constructive criticism is criticism kindly meant that has a goal of improving some area of another’s person’s life or work. Often constructive criticism refers specifically to the critique of someone else’s written or artistic work, in perhaps a teacher/student setting, that would allow that person to further improve the work or to improve their approach to future endeavors. However, constructive criticism can also apply to a critical reasoned analysis of a person’s behavior, as in a patient/therapist setting or a group therapy setting.
I did not, however, write anything without proper argumentation. A wise many would see that my actual articles are meant to improve peoples awareness on the subject at hand and also giving them some food for thought. Only a highly prejudiced person would think an article in which I suggest Bill to tell us more details on the testings as a threat. But in the end that what it’s all about. The whole point of the thread on BOS is blemishing the reputation of anyone who would ever say a good thing about Asia Pharma. Basically, if you like the stuff, you are bad.
But Dextroz is right in one thing, ones writing speaks a lot of the author. Now I look at his posts he’s doing exactly what he’s accusing others of doing. He makes claims that he cannot support in any way but with a “Translation” of posts of other people (me mainly). He attacks everyone indiscriminately without checking their background - most people in attacked in his thread have far more integrity than himself, and attacking such people without substantial evidence is plainly stupid (not me, but S.B.C. for example).
Asiapharma owners and shills milo, barron, s.b.c., dexterj, mrdext, methan, kendall, Dolcedoberman, peanutbutter and the lot we are not interested in what you have to say.
Some of these guys are admittedly spammers, but other are definitely not.
Furthermore he refers to other articles on the internet which are all written in the same style that suggest they are the work of the same group/person. And those same references use evidence like “adjusted” articles by William Llewllyn.
And among all this, writing how disgusting everything is, accusing people of making threats, he goes and threatens the first person who replies to his thread:
Now shut it or someone else will do it for you.
Sherlock, BOS is a forum and people are supposed to make comments, what did you think, you’d just make 500 accounts and have it all to yourself?!
Judging by all this I can’t help but believe this is simply a tactic to make the other guys look bad while you try to sell as much of your own brand. Otherwise, why so much rage, so much hatred, attacking like a small rabid dog? The dog’s got no teeth but barks in the night nevertheless.
Well, I still learned couple of thing from this:
British Dispensary lost the license for Androlic and not Anabol. My bad.
Cause so many people believe British Dragon is associated to Asia Pharma and EuroHormones these days we might get BD HGH? That would be good and sure as hell is worth looking into it.
Forums really are full of s*** these days.
Asia Pharma has published their production video (published on Asia Pharma website as well) on YouTube. It is of a bit better quality that the one on their site and most important of all you can watch it full screen
I hope all larger Steroid manufacturers would give us insight into their manufacturing process this way, It would be a lot easier to distinguish between the good, the bad, and the ugly.
I’ve had some really good experience with Asia Pharma products for more than 6 months since I’ve first used them. But I’m camera shy so no pics of me.
One of our readers has no qualms about taking pictures and he has has sent us a picture of him and the effect the Asia Pharma products have produced, according to him Trenabolic is by far superior product he has ever used. A picture speaks a thousand words.
Asia Pharma has registered new products in Thailand:
Asia Pharma is announcing registration of following new products:
1. Stanobolic tablets (Stanozolol 10 mg in 100 tablets box)
Thai FDA registration number of Stanobolic is 1C 153/52
2. Oxyanabolic tablets (Oxymetholone 50 mg in 100 tablets box)
Thai FDA registration number of Oxyanabolic is 1C 152/52
3. Tamoxol tablets (Tamoxifen Citrate 20 mg in 20 tablets box)
Thai FDA registration number of Tamoxol is 1C 157/52
I hope these products will be available in Thailand soon. Than again, Cyp and Deca are still not available in Thailand. So I hope all are available soon. More info on Asia Pharma website.
And a new pharmacy stocks AsiaPharma:
G.M. Drugs
Open : 12.00 - 24.00
18, Kitpanit Building
Patpong Road ,Suriwongse,
Bangrak, Bangkok 10500
Thailand
OK, officially summer has started. You wouldn’t be sure as temps don’t really suggest it, but officially summer time has started.
Not only can you be sure of it by looking at the calendar, the activities in the steroid world suggest the same thing. Well, lack of activities that is. Looks like everyone is thinking about the summer, and everybody has stopped doing what they were doing and are just relaxing.
In the same way there is almost no steroid related news these days. After the arrests in the past month (Mainly in Texas) and DDoS attack on bodyofscience nothing really happened since. Bodyofscience is still down, community is still speculating who is behind this, but no real discovery has been made.
If you haven’t finished your cycle before summer, or are still thinking about a cycle, good news - you can get 6% discount on one order at EuroBolic.com (they sell Asia Pharma…). No hurry though, you can use it until end of July.
It’s been a long time since I’ve written about Asia Pharma
You will all be glad to hear that Decabolic and Cypiobolic will be available in Thai Pharmacies in about 2 - 3 weeks. I also heard that new products will also be registered, but at this time it’s unclear which products will be registered, and in what turn. I hope they’ll register HGH soon, for less than $3 per IU, that would be great. Who knows though, time will tell…
I’ve also seen people posting on boards that they’ve checked in Thailand and they cannot find Asia Pharma products. For those of you who are in Thailand now despite the flu, here’s couple of addresses in Pattaya you’ll find interesting (no, no exotic girls here - well, maybe):
1) Jatuporn Pharmacy
59 / 4 Moo 10, South Pattaya, Nongprue, Bang lamung, Chonburi
I was looking to buy some Deca the other day and as I actually do what I preach (well, almost) I opted to find some Human Grade stuff; which gave only 3 options really, Organon/schering, Norma, and Asia Pharma. To my knowledge original Deca Durabolin by Organon is not produced any more since the Schering took over. Asia Pharma is out everywhere, so I was trying to find Norma. Easy enough one would say.
Short version:
Doing some computing I come to realization that any Norma nandrolone decanoate sold for less than $12.00 cannot be real unless you live in a parallel universe. Than with crunching some more numbers we come to a conclusion that with all the costs involved there is no way a 10 ml 300 mg nandrolone decanoate can be sold for $60.00 and actually containing advertised 3000 mgs of nandrolone. Don’t be fooled by low prices, you’re cheap with your life
I don’t mind paying for quality stuff but cheaper is still better and I’ve contacted some people I’ve death with in the past. I also kept in mind the Lab test done by the German authorities when the busted couple of dealers (to refresh your memory, all the deca there, mainly Norma, was fake containing testosterone - more info here). And the replies I got were very “interesting”). The record braking offer came from Portugal, He gets them for EUR 1.9 a piece ($2.7) and for me he would send 40 vials to me for EUR 2.5, cause “You’re my friend”. Got many other offers, prices ranging in the segment of EUR 4 - EUR 7, some claiming domestic delivery, etc. All claiming original product, 100% satisfaction guarantee. And going as far as $20 per vial when ordering 40 vials. Wooha, sounds interesting? Sure $3 per vial sounds like a deal of a lifetime but what would I actually be getting?
Got an acquaintance in Greece, supposedly well connected, so naturally I contacted him as well hoping he would be able to arrange something for me. After all, Norma is made in Greece so the price should be lowest there. I was out of luck though, as he gave up dealing completely, but he was able to give me some info. And the info was quite shocking. According to him, the price out of the factory for a wholesaler was EUR 2.2 ($3) per vial for a large quantity, the wholesalers than markup their charge, sell them to pharmacies (I assume a 30% markup, so we’re at EUR 3 ) and than the pharmacies sell them for EUR 4 - 5 per vial, depending what deal one can get. To top it off, pharmacies in Greece actually require a prescription these days, so getting quantities is really hard. BTW, the price for pharmaceutical grade raw material of nandrolone decanoate is supposed to be around $1.2 to $1.7 per vial (200 mg), depending on quantity, purity, etc. I really did my homework on this one!
Now let’s do some logical thinking. First of all, re-selling steroids is usually a lucrative business, the main motive of the business being money. I really doubt that anybody would intentionally brake the law out of sheer charity. So naturally, I assume that the dealer’s share is at least 50% of the value, probably a lot more. What we’ve learned from the recent arrests was the dealers ended up with a lot of money Hickman (UK) had a 100% markup. Second of all, if it is really hard to get a product in the country where it is made, the initial source also wants a lot of cash so he would sell the product without papers. I really doubt that the factory itself would sell their prods underground (although it is Greece after all), most probably a wholesaler would be willing to get rid of some extra products, probably with some extra money for the trouble.
So we can safely assume it’s impossible to get original, Greek made Norma Nandrolone Decanoate below EUR 3, with the dealers bribe probably more like EUR 4. And this is the beginning of the line. According to my “Portugal Friend”, his Norma must have gotten cheaper on the way from Greece to Portugal, probably because of the rotation of the earth or something. How else can I explain he gets Original Norma in Portugal for 30% less than the factory sells it for? Even if somebody robbed the factory he would have charged a lot more than EUR 1.9 for robbery and smuggling to Portugal.
Even if I look at offers around $7.00 I still wonder how in the hell they could do it without some charity work involved (as said, I believe dealing roids is mainly for profit). Let’s say one gets ORIGINAL NORMA from a wholesaler, I think that’s the most probable way, It would cost around EUR 4. That, ladies and gentlemen, is $5.60 these days! So whoever is selling them for 6, 7, even 8 dollars, including shipping and all other costs, is in my opinion yanking my *****. Domestic delivery for $8-10 is in my opinion also bull as I doubt anyone would smuggle loads of Illegal substances to US for a mere end profit of 2, maybe 3 US dollars per vial.
Reflecting on this I would have to assume the cheapest you could get real, Original Norma, would be in the price range of $12-13 dollars, or more. As said, sources usually have a high markup. Everything below that is most probably a fake product with some test or no steroid contents, possibly even a scam. So the old saying “I’m not rich enough to buy cheap” is on the spot. The problem of course is that the dealers will read this post and will simply increase prices, so you will end up paying more for same fake Norma. (BTW, I am really sorry for this).
And, as we’re on the subject, what about the other prices? Prices of the so called Underground Labs? The newest and “The best” Sciroxx brand Deca is sold for $80, if you buy bulk you can get it for as low as $60. Do note it is supposed to be 300 mg per ml so in theory the cost of raw should be that much higher. If we look at the raw price above, we would conclude the raw materials cost $2 - $2.5 per ml, 10 ml vial should therefore contain some 22 USD worth of raw materials. Include other substances, you’re at 25 USD. Now we have to include cost of equipment - this is complicated. In general smaller factory costs more per item manufactured than a large one (per unit manufactured). So the cost should be quite high. It’s most probably not really a Human Grade product, so the price is really hard to determine. And there’s labor - this is exactly vice versa. In a legit pharmaceutical company the salaries are small while in an Underground lab the labor costs more as it is in the end an illegal activity. So we’ll assume the total cost of the vial is around $30.00. now add a 50% markup (steroid dealers are greedy) and we get factory price of $45. This translates to $3.00 per 200 mg which, you will notice, is comparable to Norma Factory price.
So my question is, since these labs supposedly don’t sell directly, where are the fees for dealers, aggressive marketing, shipping products, etc? Are these guys really saints and all in all their profit is only 30% of the price the buyer buys it for? However I turn these figures around I doesn’t add up. The only error I see in my speculation is that I’ve made a mistake and got the wrong price for the raw material. Or maybe I didn’t and they’re just using lower grade raw materials? Who knows…
In the end I decided I would try any Norma just to be on the safe side - I’d rather wait a little. For you guys that bother to read this whole extremely long post (I’ll probably move it to articles section) the end line is this: Don’t be fooled by the low prices. If the price is really low, they’ve must have compensated elsewhere. The 300 deca you’re buying may only contain 200 mg, maybe 100 mg, maybe test, you never know. It will give you some results, enough for you to be happy with and that’s the whole trick why Underground Labs are still around - buy it is probably not what you’ve paid for.
Sometimes I’m really sad the fat man jumped, and sometimes I’m really happy for it.
Couple of days ago I wrote about a site pretending to be Asia Pharma manufacturer that copied their site and simply added a store to it. In case it wasn’t clear, my point was that if Asia Pharma really intended to sell on the internet they would do it on their original site - or at least provide a link to the store. This way it is pretty obvious that the whole deal is a scam.
Anyways, surprise surprise, British Dragon, The Father and the Mother (probably all the grandparents as well) of Underground steroid manufacturers published the following news couple of days back:
As per our previous news about British Dragon counterfeiters here is another warning. www.britishdragon.com is the only official domain of British Dragon. Any other domain that claims to be an official British Dragon domain, all other domains like www.britishdragon.ext (eg. www britishdragon name , www britishdragon ru) are NOT official British Dragon domains.
For example, www britishdragon eu is a typical fraudulent domain presenting itself as an official British Dragon domain. The products presented and sold on the domain are obviously counterfeited and potentially deadly. An obvious sign of counterfeited product is the fact the products carry our official domain while the products themselves have mistakes printed on the label (for example, 7 year expiration period).
All potential customers interested in purchase of British Dragon products should be warned that British Dragon does not take any responsibility for use of counterfeited products and the counterfeited products are extremely dangerous, potentially deadly. We will posts news of all new British Dragon production batches on www.britishdragon.com as soon as the new batches are approved.
Now, I don’t know what is going on in the heads of these domain-owners (OK, it’s sometin’ like this $.$) but what are buyers thinking? If you do google on British Dragon you’ll find 2.2 mil hits, and every other one is selling BD products, and they all look different. So which one is the right one? Probably the one at the top, dah. They all have one thing in common, if you check the domain on the vials, it will say www.britishdragon.com . Which is hilarious since they’re all sold on different domains, and just about everyone is claiming to be the manufacturer. But these so called manufacturers are working on the success of the old BD, and although the people are aware of BD products, they don’t know they stopped producing years ago. If they knew that one owner is dead and the other one in jail that could make them think. So which BD seller to choose? None - the original is not producing an the other ones are fake. Still unsure? Read this paragraph again.
This situation has its positive aspects though (besides the DON’T BUY BD PRODUCTS commandment). As it is harder and harder for even experienced Bodybuilders to choose which steroid brand to use and double so for a newb, it would be the time to make some form of a standard by which to measure legitimacy of a brand and their products. I do believe that counterfeiting itself is one of the criteria to consider. I think the counterfeiters and/or scammers are the most informed individuals of the quality and sales of products on the market at any given moment. So their actions in turn tell us a lot about quality of the original products. And as we know from general education, Imitation is the Highest From of Flattery. ERGO: If a company is widely counterfeited the original product must be good. If it is not counterfeited, it must be bad. (Btw, is it just me or did I only hear of Axio counterfeits when test of their products give bad results?)
If we look at it on an example of Organon Sustanon (Schering now) - we all know ORIGINAL Sustanon is a product of very good quality. And it is a sad fact it is counterfeited in enormous quantities. Even much so, that although Organon makes gazillion of amps every year you are more likely to find a counterfeited Sustanon than an original.
Unfortunately the endeavor of forming unified standards by which to judge the brands is destined to fail as there is no governing body that would unify in this. It is a sad fact that 99% of forums are setup with the sole intent of pushing the selected products of the forum sponsors, and most debates about different products will be locked, trashed, or erased. Don’t get me wrong, forums are great if you seek information on how to use steroids, but for determining product legitimacy they are very bad.
So what’s the point of this post? Think with your head and use logic when deciding which product to buy. As Doctor S wrote in his blog, don’t mind paying more if the product is really good. In the end, it is still better to pay $10 for Sust that contains 250 mg than to pay $5 for a Sust that contains 50 mg or even nothing at all. And don’t you even consider buying BD from a counterfeited site.
As Asia Pharma is gaining on reputation it seems the counterfeiters are looking at it as well. Unknown guys from Russia have registered a domain asiapharma-dot-us that represents itself as an Asia Pharma manufacturer and seller. As everybody should know by now anybody who is presenting himself as a manufacturer and at the same time selling their products is most probably not a legitimate entity - this is even weirder as these guys have literally copied Asia Pharma web page including the news section - the only difference is here you can actually make a purchase. I guess if Asia Pharma wanted to sell their products online directly they would have done it.
Anyways, given the fact that they represent themselves as Asia Pharma, they have virtually all Asia Pharma products on stock (but the images are completely the same as on Asia Pharma web-page, no unique images), they only accept Western Union… The weirdest part of all is the total absence of Asia Pharma verification mentioned anywhere. All Asia Pharma vendors seen so far emphesise that all products should be verified on Asia Pharma web-page, but here there is no mention of it whatsoever. Considering everything I assume they are most probably scammers, if anybody has got more info or feedback please let me know. If you do give it a try and you are scammed, you’ve been warned.
Yeah, I know, I’m writing about Asia Pharma a lot. But I decided I’d get down to this Thailand registration business and here is the follow up. My buddy has finally brought the Enantbolic over so here it is:
Well, after long wait I finally have the Asia Pharma Enantbolic sample in my hands and it is … almost identical to the ones sold on the Internet (for example from our sponsors). The only difference is couple of Thai signs on the box (I have no clue what they mean tho but I guess that is required by Thai government).
A word of note - as it can be seen on the picture, the letters ENA are not on the box. I’ve tried the online verification at www.asiapharma.com and it would not work without the letters. But after I entered the ENA letters it verified normally. I guess they were a little sloppy here and I hope they will fix this soon.
I’ve seen debates on forums whether this is officially sold in pharmacies and where these pharmacies are: I’ve published couple of addresses before and here is a map of where this pharmacy is (from their business card). And also a pic as they were on the shelves (my buddy made a pic).
I didn’t inject this yet but as it verified online I’m sure it is just as good as the other Enantbolic was. the price in the pharmacy was 1600 THAI BAHT ( cca $45.00).
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