Well, I’m really being proud of myself right now. I thought that only limited number of people are reading this blog and with the workload at my job I grew really lazy writing it. I guess I just got a new kick now
I stopped checking BOS regularly after I was banned twice, so it took me a while noticing, but today I got to see this new Body of Science topic. And basically it’s all about this site and the posts posted here. Awesome.
I though about writing a response on the topic but hey, I’d be banned just the same, so why bother.
The biggest misunderstanding (I could say lie, but everyone can interpret any post his/her own way) is that I’m attacking BOS for some weird reasons, trying to push Asia Pharma products, threatening Bill, attacking honest UGLs, etc. I hope this post will clarify matters. And will probably be misunderstood and misinterpreted.
Firs of all, YES, I like Asia Pharma products. I don’t hide it, I’m proud of it. I also like Zambon, Organon, Schering, Norma, etc. The manufacturer doesn’t really matter as long as the products is of good quality. I’ve come by many good products in my time and have learned to appreciate quality. And I’ve tried many bad products that in the end completely ruined my cycle. Either they were not even close enough to potency advertised, or they were completely mislabeled, usually both. I’ve had the luck of never getting a serious infection but know people that did. For all those reasons I don’t like Underground products. I want to be as good as I can be and for me what really matters is the end result which only quality products can give, even if I have to pay more for them. Be all you can be.
I have a sponsor. Who doesn’t? I appreciate the fact that I can get gear for less money or free, and if all it costs me is to have a banner on the site, hell, why not. Now, to make it a conspiracy theory out of it, that’s a bit too much though. I saw numerous posts on the subject of Asia Pharma ownership with numerous suppositions, but I better get it out in the open now. I own Asia Pharma. I also own British Dragon. I bought them from the dividends received from my shares in Schering-Plough. And in case you didn’t know the whole reason we took over Organon was cause we really wanted to have Deca and Susta in our portfolio. And the only reason I’m doing this blog thing is cause I’m bored. Doh.
The funniest part of the whole post is the “lie about registration etc” part. Now I’m a cautious person (I think) but the wealth of info AsiaPharma has provided regarding their products manufacturing is incredible in comparison to other brands. Yet it seems it is never enough. Show this show that. Once they do - “o, you faked it”. If the guy took the time to read the articles on this page, he could at least also post the pharmacy links in the older posts. I’ve been to those and they actually sell Asia Pharm. I guess he only shows info that supports his claims and ignores the rest. Tc tc tc, what would your old teacher say about that?! His summaries all all wrong too, as in many of the articles quoted there is no mention of the AP brand whatsoever, although I do hope there is something educational in all of em. But in the big picture I must be writing all that just to advertise Asia Pharma. I hope I get big bucks out of it. Wait; I already own all the companies.
Here’s a funny one:
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Furthermore, you never know where the UGs are made. Well, actually, you can imagine. Remember the last drug related movie you’ve seen (doesn’t really matter which one) - the drug lab you’ve seen in that movie is exactly what an UG lab looks like. Well, probably looks even better, remember, there’s a lot more money in drugs. And that product you inject every day for 3 months. When you’re buying a car you would like to have all the possible Airbags, electronics, and god knows what else just so you would be safe in case you crash. But you might not crash. Actually, probability of a crash is a lot lower than probability of an infection from a product made in a dusty trailer-park that you will inject every day for 3 months.
OK, I know this analogy is a bit off but I hope it gets the message over. You want to be the best and only the best products can get you there.
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Buy asiapharma.com eurohormones.com new britishdragon.com overpriced UGL because we asiapharma eurohormones britishdragon tell you that it is HG.
And all other UGLs and HG producers are bad for you.
Now if anyone can bother to read the actual post, he’ll realize that It’s all about using Human Grade gear without any specific brands. How this person sees this article as a bashing of any other GMP human grade steroids is beyond me.
As far as Bill’s bashing is concerned, it’s quite simple. I’m a critic and critics criticize. I’ve written many times I have great respect for his work but there are things that he could do better. And that is exactly as the articles were meant - as Constructive criticism meant to further improve his work. Any person that considers himself to be an educated person knows it for what it is. I know Dextroz went to college so he obviously must have skipped that class - here is a description of constructive criticism by wisegeek.com:
Constructive criticism is criticism kindly meant that has a goal of improving some area of another’s person’s life or work. Often constructive criticism refers specifically to the critique of someone else’s written or artistic work, in perhaps a teacher/student setting, that would allow that person to further improve the work or to improve their approach to future endeavors. However, constructive criticism can also apply to a critical reasoned analysis of a person’s behavior, as in a patient/therapist setting or a group therapy setting.
I did not, however, write anything without proper argumentation. A wise many would see that my actual articles are meant to improve peoples awareness on the subject at hand and also giving them some food for thought. Only a highly prejudiced person would think an article in which I suggest Bill to tell us more details on the testings as a threat. But in the end that what it’s all about. The whole point of the thread on BOS is blemishing the reputation of anyone who would ever say a good thing about Asia Pharma. Basically, if you like the stuff, you are bad.
But Dextroz is right in one thing, ones writing speaks a lot of the author. Now I look at his posts he’s doing exactly what he’s accusing others of doing. He makes claims that he cannot support in any way but with a “Translation” of posts of other people (me mainly). He attacks everyone indiscriminately without checking their background - most people in attacked in his thread have far more integrity than himself, and attacking such people without substantial evidence is plainly stupid (not me, but S.B.C. for example).
Asiapharma owners and shills milo, barron, s.b.c., dexterj, mrdext, methan, kendall, Dolcedoberman, peanutbutter and the lot we are not interested in what you have to say.
Some of these guys are admittedly spammers, but other are definitely not.
Furthermore he refers to other articles on the internet which are all written in the same style that suggest they are the work of the same group/person. And those same references use evidence like “adjusted” articles by William Llewllyn.
And among all this, writing how disgusting everything is, accusing people of making threats, he goes and threatens the first person who replies to his thread:
Now shut it or someone else will do it for you.
Sherlock, BOS is a forum and people are supposed to make comments, what did you think, you’d just make 500 accounts and have it all to yourself?!
Judging by all this I can’t help but believe this is simply a tactic to make the other guys look bad while you try to sell as much of your own brand. Otherwise, why so much rage, so much hatred, attacking like a small rabid dog? The dog’s got no teeth but barks in the night nevertheless.
Well, I still learned couple of thing from this:
British Dispensary lost the license for Androlic and not Anabol. My bad.
Cause so many people believe British Dragon is associated to Asia Pharma and EuroHormones these days we might get BD HGH? That would be good and sure as hell is worth looking into it.
Forums really are full of s*** these days.
I have an extended article about positive and negative sides on purchasing steroids online here. However, I’ve had some new experience in this respect recently - and I thought I would share my thoughts on this.
As many people I’ve grown accustomed to buying stuff on the net - from software and music, computer-hardware, to some really weird items from ebay. The thing is, it grows on you, and once you get used to it you have certain expectations that one reflects on all internet dealings.
As all things in life this has positive and negative consequences though. On one hand I’m more and more trusting towards all internet offerings and in most cases this is a good thing. Years ago I could never imagine trusting some guy on ebay to send me the newest Dell computer for half of retail price. These days it’s only natural. The bad thing is I now expect all internet dealings to be as straightforward as buying a book from Amazon.
The problem these days is I often forget that buying steroids online and having them shipped to US is not really legal (understatement, I know). It became a habitual thing to me. I recently bought some exotic roids from Europe (again) and the shipment was late, 6 days overdue. Naturally I contacted the store and (not using really nice words) demanded to know what was going on. They were nice enough to explain to me when the items were shipped and from where, but that I couldn’t track the shipment because it was not shipped by registered mail. HUH?!
Well, several emails later and I was able to understand everything. With international mail registered packages need to have declaration of contents included. In many countries steroids are legal so one would think no problem, just declare medicine. Well, the customs do read the declaration so those would be checked immediately. A, I was thinking, why not lie? Supposedly, if one lies on the declaration it can be considered a criminal offense. Basically, as I understand, the only way to keep themselves and their customers out of trouble is to simply ship by regular mail.
Finally, the package did arrive. Just delayed a bit.
I got to wonder though, and eventually I did realize that I couldn’t really blame anyone but the country I live in for the problems. I’m not gonna nag about how roids should be legal and all that, but the bottom line is, if you live in a country where a product is illegal, you can’t expect everything to go smoothly every time and sometimes you could have problems.
For example, if you order steroids and they get confiscated, who’s fault is it? Sure, most of us would be angry at the supplier for not shipping carefully enough, but I’ve seen that customs sometimes open packages that could only contain paper. Couple of years back customs would locate and open packages that contained sachets or paper anabolics, which were designed with the sole purpose of passing customs. I really wonder how larger items actually pass customs. I guess if I had a package seized I’d be really angry, but I guess it would be my fault as well, as I’ve paid someone to send those items to me. Unfortunately it’s a take it or leave it situation and one has to be a bit lucky for everything to go smoothly every time.
The bottom line is, I still beleive buying steroids online is the best option for most people (the ones living too far from Mexico anyways). But you do need to keep in mind that ordering steroids to the states is not the same thing as buying your everyday item from Amazon.
It seems the law enforcement is cracking down on Underground steroid and pharmacy producers all over the world. The interesting thing to note is that it seems all these actions are somehow connected. If we follow the news stories it all started in UAE where they found a lot of counterfeit products, than moved to Bulgaria (the country has the record of being the most corrupt European Union state, but it is in EU so no customs to other countries). In Bulgaria they found 3 mil worth of counterfeited pharmaceutical products, steroids, Viagra, etc. including machinery for manufacturing counterfeited products. At that point it was said that they found evidence that the products were destined for western markets. And that was the end of story for Bulgaria.
A week later, and there’s all the news how they arrested dealers in Germany, UK, Israel, South Africa, Canada… It is nowhere specifically noted that any of the busts were connected to Bulgarian bust, but we can speculate. I admit that South Africa and Bulgaria are probably not connected, but Germany could definitely be connected. I have no problems with dealers selling counterfeited drugs being busted but this shows us that police all over the world is getting organized and actually cooperate. Furthermore, they have identified illegally produced underground and counterfeited products as potentially very dangerous. Undoubtedly this is mainly influenced by large pharmaceutical companies as they are loosing money, but general health is the excuse. It could be a coincidence, but…
So how does this concern fellow bodybuilders. At this point, not much. Bulgarian bust took counterfeited Norma and other prods of the market, so it’s good. New people will start making counterfeits though, so no long range change there. However, you should know that ten years ago, steroids were not of much discussion in law enforcement circles, and Polize cooperation between different countries was literally non-existent. This connected busts do change things and will definitely put some extra pressure on the UG’s. So the worst case scenario is higher prices and ultimately less UGs. Probably not a bad thing…
We’ve all come to this problem - we want to get gear but have no real reason for a doctor to write a prescription. Even if he would, the range would be somewhat limited as doctors tend to only prescribe mild dosages of anabolics when they actually write a prescription. So at home you will have to get gear elsewhere… But still, if by any chance somebody finds the gear with me, what shall I say?
Anabolic Steroids are used in many fields of Medicine, but for an average bodybuilder only two fields are really applicable. Patients with HIV are treated with Anabolic Steroids in order to make up for the weight lost due to the illness. The other field is Testosterone deficiency treatment, for people whose testicles are not producing enough testosterone and additional testosterone needs to be introduced to the body for normal body functioning. Although I know people that have HIV and are actually extremely bulk this excuse will probably not be used very often because of prejudice and the fact that it is very easily established that one has HIV.
Testosterone deficiency on the other hand is quite hard to prove (and disprove) as it test levels are frequently different from patient to patient and some uniform measurements don’t always apply. Basically every doctor will give a different opinion on this issue. So if you are lucky enough to find a doctor that will say you suffer from Testosterone deficiency, you win.
So here is the point of the whole post - how to find such a doctor. Do note that some assumptions from here on are theoretical and actual application will vary from state to state, country to country. This in reality is informative post only. If you actually work it out do let me know
In the states and most of the “Western” countries you will have some problems with persuading a doctor (the bulkier you are lower the probability) that your test levels are too low and that you NEED anabolic steroids to keep function normally. Even if they do buy it they will probably do other treatments first (basically PCT). So forget these countries.
Here’s good news - if you like to travel you will have no problem finding a “less developed” country where you will be able to find a more willing doctor. The beauty clinics all over the world are offering numerous programs for wight loss, vitalization, rejuvenation, etc. In Thailand for example you can go for an official weight loss treatement supervised by a doctor and they will treat you with - I didn’t really believe this at first - Clenbuterol. You will note that Clenbuterol is used for bronchodilator and officially was never used for Weight loss. in similar way Pregnyl is used for weight loss (again not meant for it), HGH is used for weight loss and rejuvenation, etc. And yes, you have guessed it, you can also get a testosterone deficiency treatment there, voila, prescription for anabolic steroids.
I know what you are thinking, you can get anabolics without prescription in any Thai pharmacy so why bother with a doctor. The problems is many of us have been on these trips and we often want to take home some souvenirs. So we put them in the luggage and hope the customs will not bother to check us. If they do though, we could be in a world of problems. Take the German tourist who entered Florida as an example. I guess he didn’t want to cut his cycle short so he brought it with him. Because he had a vial of deca and an amp of test (No doubt Norma and Galenika ) and some pins he’s faced with five felony charges… Read more here.
So if you visit a doctor the main difference is that you actually get a prescription for whatever souvenirs you wish to take home. And since you are a foreigner you can ask the good Thai doctor to give you some form of diagnosis in English on paper as you would really like to inform your doctor of the “illness” you have. Basically should you have any problems on the border because of the souvenirs you have a lot better standpoint - you have a prescription for the items, and even a diagnosis why you need them. That may not save you completely but is sure to help you a lot if the shit hits the fan.
Secondly, as stated above, testosterone deficiency diagnosis is a vague term. According to HealthCommunities.com:
Recent estimates show that approximately 13 million men in the United States experience testosterone deficiency and less than 10% receive treatment for the condition.
Studies have shown that men with obesity, diabetes, or hypertension may be twice as likely to have low testosterone levels.
What this means is you might fall into those 13 million men and since you already have a diagnosis you might be able to persuade your doctor that you actually do have it. This is a far shot (I personally would give it 1/4 chance) but one avenue one could potentially wish to peruse.
So if you are lucky, you might get a lot more from this trip than just a vacation. Word of caution, If you do go to Thailand please make sure and protect yourself so you don’t suddenly fall into the other, HIV positive group of people eligible for anabolic steroids treatment.
As said above, this is theory. Or an idea up for discussion if you wish. If anybody has any feedback, please let me know.
For a start here is some info:
http://www.pih-inter.com/
Pattaya International Hospital
Soi 4 , Beach Road, Pattaya City, Cholburi 20260 Thailand
Dr. Sawaddipong Clinic
20/1 Moo 10 Pratumnuk Rd., Near Erawan Hotel, South Pattaya, Thailand
Contact these 2 numbers to make their appointments - +6685 219 0066 , +6684 646 6181
I was looking to buy some Deca the other day and as I actually do what I preach (well, almost) I opted to find some Human Grade stuff; which gave only 3 options really, Organon/schering, Norma, and Asia Pharma. To my knowledge original Deca Durabolin by Organon is not produced any more since the Schering took over. Asia Pharma is out everywhere, so I was trying to find Norma. Easy enough one would say.
Short version:
Doing some computing I come to realization that any Norma nandrolone decanoate sold for less than $12.00 cannot be real unless you live in a parallel universe. Than with crunching some more numbers we come to a conclusion that with all the costs involved there is no way a 10 ml 300 mg nandrolone decanoate can be sold for $60.00 and actually containing advertised 3000 mgs of nandrolone. Don’t be fooled by low prices, you’re cheap with your life
I don’t mind paying for quality stuff but cheaper is still better and I’ve contacted some people I’ve death with in the past. I also kept in mind the Lab test done by the German authorities when the busted couple of dealers (to refresh your memory, all the deca there, mainly Norma, was fake containing testosterone - more info here). And the replies I got were very “interesting”). The record braking offer came from Portugal, He gets them for EUR 1.9 a piece ($2.7) and for me he would send 40 vials to me for EUR 2.5, cause “You’re my friend”. Got many other offers, prices ranging in the segment of EUR 4 - EUR 7, some claiming domestic delivery, etc. All claiming original product, 100% satisfaction guarantee. And going as far as $20 per vial when ordering 40 vials. Wooha, sounds interesting? Sure $3 per vial sounds like a deal of a lifetime but what would I actually be getting?
Got an acquaintance in Greece, supposedly well connected, so naturally I contacted him as well hoping he would be able to arrange something for me. After all, Norma is made in Greece so the price should be lowest there. I was out of luck though, as he gave up dealing completely, but he was able to give me some info. And the info was quite shocking. According to him, the price out of the factory for a wholesaler was EUR 2.2 ($3) per vial for a large quantity, the wholesalers than markup their charge, sell them to pharmacies (I assume a 30% markup, so we’re at EUR 3 ) and than the pharmacies sell them for EUR 4 - 5 per vial, depending what deal one can get. To top it off, pharmacies in Greece actually require a prescription these days, so getting quantities is really hard. BTW, the price for pharmaceutical grade raw material of nandrolone decanoate is supposed to be around $1.2 to $1.7 per vial (200 mg), depending on quantity, purity, etc. I really did my homework on this one!
Now let’s do some logical thinking. First of all, re-selling steroids is usually a lucrative business, the main motive of the business being money. I really doubt that anybody would intentionally brake the law out of sheer charity. So naturally, I assume that the dealer’s share is at least 50% of the value, probably a lot more. What we’ve learned from the recent arrests was the dealers ended up with a lot of money Hickman (UK) had a 100% markup. Second of all, if it is really hard to get a product in the country where it is made, the initial source also wants a lot of cash so he would sell the product without papers. I really doubt that the factory itself would sell their prods underground (although it is Greece after all), most probably a wholesaler would be willing to get rid of some extra products, probably with some extra money for the trouble.
So we can safely assume it’s impossible to get original, Greek made Norma Nandrolone Decanoate below EUR 3, with the dealers bribe probably more like EUR 4. And this is the beginning of the line. According to my “Portugal Friend”, his Norma must have gotten cheaper on the way from Greece to Portugal, probably because of the rotation of the earth or something. How else can I explain he gets Original Norma in Portugal for 30% less than the factory sells it for? Even if somebody robbed the factory he would have charged a lot more than EUR 1.9 for robbery and smuggling to Portugal.
Even if I look at offers around $7.00 I still wonder how in the hell they could do it without some charity work involved (as said, I believe dealing roids is mainly for profit). Let’s say one gets ORIGINAL NORMA from a wholesaler, I think that’s the most probable way, It would cost around EUR 4. That, ladies and gentlemen, is $5.60 these days! So whoever is selling them for 6, 7, even 8 dollars, including shipping and all other costs, is in my opinion yanking my *****. Domestic delivery for $8-10 is in my opinion also bull as I doubt anyone would smuggle loads of Illegal substances to US for a mere end profit of 2, maybe 3 US dollars per vial.
Reflecting on this I would have to assume the cheapest you could get real, Original Norma, would be in the price range of $12-13 dollars, or more. As said, sources usually have a high markup. Everything below that is most probably a fake product with some test or no steroid contents, possibly even a scam. So the old saying “I’m not rich enough to buy cheap” is on the spot. The problem of course is that the dealers will read this post and will simply increase prices, so you will end up paying more for same fake Norma. (BTW, I am really sorry for this).
And, as we’re on the subject, what about the other prices? Prices of the so called Underground Labs? The newest and “The best” Sciroxx brand Deca is sold for $80, if you buy bulk you can get it for as low as $60. Do note it is supposed to be 300 mg per ml so in theory the cost of raw should be that much higher. If we look at the raw price above, we would conclude the raw materials cost $2 - $2.5 per ml, 10 ml vial should therefore contain some 22 USD worth of raw materials. Include other substances, you’re at 25 USD. Now we have to include cost of equipment - this is complicated. In general smaller factory costs more per item manufactured than a large one (per unit manufactured). So the cost should be quite high. It’s most probably not really a Human Grade product, so the price is really hard to determine. And there’s labor - this is exactly vice versa. In a legit pharmaceutical company the salaries are small while in an Underground lab the labor costs more as it is in the end an illegal activity. So we’ll assume the total cost of the vial is around $30.00. now add a 50% markup (steroid dealers are greedy) and we get factory price of $45. This translates to $3.00 per 200 mg which, you will notice, is comparable to Norma Factory price.
So my question is, since these labs supposedly don’t sell directly, where are the fees for dealers, aggressive marketing, shipping products, etc? Are these guys really saints and all in all their profit is only 30% of the price the buyer buys it for? However I turn these figures around I doesn’t add up. The only error I see in my speculation is that I’ve made a mistake and got the wrong price for the raw material. Or maybe I didn’t and they’re just using lower grade raw materials? Who knows…
In the end I decided I would try any Norma just to be on the safe side - I’d rather wait a little. For you guys that bother to read this whole extremely long post (I’ll probably move it to articles section) the end line is this: Don’t be fooled by the low prices. If the price is really low, they’ve must have compensated elsewhere. The 300 deca you’re buying may only contain 200 mg, maybe 100 mg, maybe test, you never know. It will give you some results, enough for you to be happy with and that’s the whole trick why Underground Labs are still around - buy it is probably not what you’ve paid for.
Sometimes I’m really sad the fat man jumped, and sometimes I’m really happy for it.
Couple of days ago I wrote about a site pretending to be Asia Pharma manufacturer that copied their site and simply added a store to it. In case it wasn’t clear, my point was that if Asia Pharma really intended to sell on the internet they would do it on their original site - or at least provide a link to the store. This way it is pretty obvious that the whole deal is a scam.
Anyways, surprise surprise, British Dragon, The Father and the Mother (probably all the grandparents as well) of Underground steroid manufacturers published the following news couple of days back:
As per our previous news about British Dragon counterfeiters here is another warning. www.britishdragon.com is the only official domain of British Dragon. Any other domain that claims to be an official British Dragon domain, all other domains like www.britishdragon.ext (eg. www britishdragon name , www britishdragon ru) are NOT official British Dragon domains.
For example, www britishdragon eu is a typical fraudulent domain presenting itself as an official British Dragon domain. The products presented and sold on the domain are obviously counterfeited and potentially deadly. An obvious sign of counterfeited product is the fact the products carry our official domain while the products themselves have mistakes printed on the label (for example, 7 year expiration period).
All potential customers interested in purchase of British Dragon products should be warned that British Dragon does not take any responsibility for use of counterfeited products and the counterfeited products are extremely dangerous, potentially deadly. We will posts news of all new British Dragon production batches on www.britishdragon.com as soon as the new batches are approved.
Now, I don’t know what is going on in the heads of these domain-owners (OK, it’s sometin’ like this $.$) but what are buyers thinking? If you do google on British Dragon you’ll find 2.2 mil hits, and every other one is selling BD products, and they all look different. So which one is the right one? Probably the one at the top, dah. They all have one thing in common, if you check the domain on the vials, it will say www.britishdragon.com . Which is hilarious since they’re all sold on different domains, and just about everyone is claiming to be the manufacturer. But these so called manufacturers are working on the success of the old BD, and although the people are aware of BD products, they don’t know they stopped producing years ago. If they knew that one owner is dead and the other one in jail that could make them think. So which BD seller to choose? None - the original is not producing an the other ones are fake. Still unsure? Read this paragraph again.
This situation has its positive aspects though (besides the DON’T BUY BD PRODUCTS commandment). As it is harder and harder for even experienced Bodybuilders to choose which steroid brand to use and double so for a newb, it would be the time to make some form of a standard by which to measure legitimacy of a brand and their products. I do believe that counterfeiting itself is one of the criteria to consider. I think the counterfeiters and/or scammers are the most informed individuals of the quality and sales of products on the market at any given moment. So their actions in turn tell us a lot about quality of the original products. And as we know from general education, Imitation is the Highest From of Flattery. ERGO: If a company is widely counterfeited the original product must be good. If it is not counterfeited, it must be bad. (Btw, is it just me or did I only hear of Axio counterfeits when test of their products give bad results?)
If we look at it on an example of Organon Sustanon (Schering now) - we all know ORIGINAL Sustanon is a product of very good quality. And it is a sad fact it is counterfeited in enormous quantities. Even much so, that although Organon makes gazillion of amps every year you are more likely to find a counterfeited Sustanon than an original.
Unfortunately the endeavor of forming unified standards by which to judge the brands is destined to fail as there is no governing body that would unify in this. It is a sad fact that 99% of forums are setup with the sole intent of pushing the selected products of the forum sponsors, and most debates about different products will be locked, trashed, or erased. Don’t get me wrong, forums are great if you seek information on how to use steroids, but for determining product legitimacy they are very bad.
So what’s the point of this post? Think with your head and use logic when deciding which product to buy. As Doctor S wrote in his blog, don’t mind paying more if the product is really good. In the end, it is still better to pay $10 for Sust that contains 250 mg than to pay $5 for a Sust that contains 50 mg or even nothing at all. And don’t you even consider buying BD from a counterfeited site.
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